I mean, the very beginning is probably when I was little, we had a friend who was a painter, and she ran her painting classes, like at our house. So I grew up in quite like a funny, commune vibe... it was all very hippie. So there was this like watercolor painting class at our house every week that I could just go to for free. So I think probably, yeah, that was the very start. So I must have been five--tiny!