So I was really into art at school and really wanted to be an artist, but I didn't come from like, a community or background related to that--apart from actually that that art teacher, but she also had a number of jobs, she was also a therapist. So I didn't see anyone kind of being an artist. So the transition was I kind of went to an art foundation. I found it really annoying, because they really didn't like figurative painting, really kind of weren't into what I wanted to do at all. Then I did an academic degree. And when I graduated, I was just like, oh, man, I definitely just want to do art. But yeah, I would say the main kind of trigger from like, really taking it seriously was during COVID, which was quite interesting. I just, I was kind of working this full time job that I really wasn't loving. And I just thought, I've got some savings, and the world is on fire. So I'm just gonna do it and see how it goes.